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I'm glad that you're agreeing to be a part of it, because we're sitting in a very significant place, and we're here today to let you and help the community understand the significance of Mt. Zion cemetery, which is where we're at right now. I just simply want you to begin with telling us who you are, you know, a little bit about yourself and ultimately evolving into your family. And then, of course, who we're here with, that has been interred on this land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=0.0,51.82474"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, as Terry mentioned, my name is Carr Johnson, and this grave here next to me is my great, great, great grandfather, Horace Carr. We are at Mt. Zion cemetery in Port Royal Tennessee. And Horace Carr founded Mt. Zion Baptist Church in 1867 and when I was a boy, I was born and raised in, well, I was born in Hopkinsville, Kentucky, uh because that was the place of that was the closest place of the only black hospital in this area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=51.82474,105.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e So I, so my mother went there, and I was born there, but I was actually raised in Guthrie, Kentucky. Now, the thing about Guthrie, Kentucky is that it's, it's divided city. One side sits on Tennessee, one side sits on Kentucky. I was raised on the Kentucky side. My grandmother, Evelyn Johnson, always told me and my siblings that there was a book about our family, uh Horace Carr and uh coming up as a boy in Guthrie, I heard about this constantly, but I never saw the book. She didn't have a copy. She didn't know where it was, and so I thought it was a myth. The main thing about the book that she wanted us to know was that our grandmother, Horace Carr's wife, Catherine, was never a slave because she was uh half white. Her father was a French man, and that's as much as my grandmother could tell us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=105.0,178.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Fast forward to 2008 and I was living in Cleveland, Ohio. And one of my sisters, Gay Huffman, who was living in Herndon, Virginia, right outside Washington, DC, she called me and said that she had found the book that it was in the uh Library of Congress, and she couldn't check it out, but she would make a copy. And she made a copy of it, Xerox copy. Sent it to me, and I was amazed. The book is called Pioneer Colored Christians. It was written by Harriet Parks Miller and, and was published in 1911. Miss Miller was living in, well, I'm not sure where she was living, but she visited Guthrie quite frequently to interview Katherine Carr, who was who had a nickname. Her nickname was Kitty, and Kitty was quite aged at this time, and Miss Miller would visit her at her daughter-in-law's house, where she stayed, where Catherine stayed, and interview her. And from that interview, Miss Miller produced this book, Pioneer Colored Christians. This, this, this book talks about uh Horace Carr, her husband, and her founding Mt. Zion Baptist Church, and growing up in this area of Port Royal. It mentions a few other personalities, for example, Luke Fort. Luke Fort married Horace Carr's uh granddaughter. No, I'm sorry he married her daughter. He married his daughter, Anna, Anna Carr, and they produced a son, Robert Fort, who was the father of Lenny Fort, a barber in Guthrie, Kentucky, that used to cut my hair. Now I didn't know all this at the time. This is coming through research. And the best researcher in our family is my sister Evelyn, who did who, who uh introduced me to this genealogy, and did charts and things like that there. And uh there are Forts today that I know personally, who don't know anything about our family connection or the history or anything like that. And as a matter of fact, there are many people around in this area who do not know the history and, and so forth and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=178.0,356.94955"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e But anyway, I left Cleveland in 2010 and came back home. I lived in Ohio for a number of years, and my sister, Stella, who lives in Clarksville, finally convinced me to come back home. So when I got here, I'm living in an apartment, and one of the first things that I wanted to do was to come to the church. So I came over to Mt. Zion Church, which is located on Highway 76 now, and uh, it was on a Sunday, and I went to the service, I introduced myself. The pastor, Mr. Reverend, Reverend Jesse Osborne allowed me to stand before the people and speak, and I introduced myself and uh, and uh told them about the book and how I came to the church. After the church service, I asked the uh, I was speaking with some of the members, and I asked them, \"Where is the cemetery?\" Because the book talks about a cemetery being near the church, and I didn't see a cemetery around the church. So then I was told that that church was not the original site of Mt. Zion Baptist Church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=356.94955,441.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e That the original site, I had to go down 76 about three or four hundred yards, make a left turn into a subdivision go, I said \"I'll never find it.\" So a brother stepped up named Vester Carney. He said, \"I know where it is, and I take you down there.\" And uh, so that Thursday, after that Sunday, Vester and I, we had agreed to meet down here at the cul-de-sac. And uh, he was born and raised in Port Royal. He knows all these woods and everything. So, he guided me down to the cemetery, and I came upon the grave site here, and it was, it wasn't nearly as cleared off as it is now, and I was so overwhelmed with emotion to be the first person of the fifth generation of my family to return to this site that I knelt down on my knees and offered a prayer, thanking God for this occasion. And when I finished praying, I looked up and Vester was standing there with his hat in his hand, praying. He had been praying right along with me. That evening. When I returned to my apartment, I went through the book again, and I saw in the list of founding members of the church that there was mentioned there a man by the name of Isaac Carney. And so I called Vester, and I asked him, I said, \"Do you know this Isaac Carney, who was listed as a founding member of the church?\" And he said, \"Yes.\" He said, \"That's my great, great, great grandfather.\" And I was kind of like, pushed I was, like, pushed over about that, because, I mean, the gravity of the situation is, here I am, the grandson of this man, and here's Vester, the grandson of one of the founding members, helping me to locate the cemetery and the grave of my grandfather. After that, we became friends. I knew there was some type of rapport between us from the beginning, but we became friends and acknowledged each other, and uh, and, and so I started to work then. I started to work on getting the cemetery recognized, the church recognized.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=441.0,604.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know if we're going to be able to get this, get this video of the church, the foundation of the church. The church is no longer there, the original site, but they have stones of the original site still left, and stuff like that. I worked to get that recognized by the Historical Society of Tennessee, and I submitted documentation and an application to the historical site, sorry, to the Historical Commission for recognition of the cemetery and the church and I submitted to them that the church was the oldest black church in the state of Tennessee, founded in 1867 now I heard that from people that belong to Mount Nebo, a church here in Montgomery County, that they claim to be the oldest black church in Tennessee. They I haven't found any evidence of that. There is evidence of Mt. Zion being founded in 1867 through the book written by Miss, Miss, Miss Miller. So uh, we do have that on hand, but I haven't found any evidence of any other church being older than Mt. Zion. In any case, the Historical Commission denied the application.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=604.0,693.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e So, I attempted to contact some people that own land in this area, I think, on the land that the cemetery sets on. And I wrote them letters and asked them, would they be interested in just donating the land to the church? And I never received a reply. My efforts fizzled out, and then, and it fizzled out for a few years, and I didn't think that we were going to, that I was going to be able to go anywhere with this, until I was reading one day an article about uh, hmm, the uh, the black school system that was founded in the 1920s I believe it was, by this Jewish philanthropist, and it was written by Shana, what was Shana's last name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=693.0,758.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e Thornton.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=758.0,759.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Thornton. Shana Thornton, and I contacted Shana, and she was doing this article, the Rosenwald.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=759.0,771.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e Rosenwald schools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=771.0,772.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e She was doing this article on the Rosenwald school. And uh, I told her, I read her article. It was a great article. I said my wife used to attend Rosenwald school, and Shana was very enthusiastic about interviewing her. And because there's a Rosenwald school on the Tennessee side of Guthrie, Kentucky, and she and my wife and I introduced her to another party, Randall, I'm sorry, Ronald, Ronald Johnson, who also used to attend this school, so we went over there. The school is no longer there. It has been transformed into a community center. And we sat there in the community center, and Shana interviewed Ronald and Debra, my wife, about their experience going to this Rosenwald school when they were children. And Shana, I told her about my experience with the cemetery. I had it fizzled out and everything, and she told me to get in contact with David Britton. David Britton is the director of the Dunbar cave, or the —","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=772.0,854.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e Dunbar cave State Park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=854.0,855.99855"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Dunbar cave State Park and the Port Royal State Park. And David Britton was very enthusiastic about helping out with getting the cemetery recognized and the church recognized. As a matter of fact, the church in the cemetery was on the legacy trail, a African American historical uh program established here in Montgomery County to recognize African American sites in Montgomery County, Tennessee. And um, and so Shana came down to the cemetery, looked, looked around. We walked her down here. And so we got started on restoring the cemetery. David Britton and his crew. (cell phone ringing)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=855.99855,921.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e David Brinton and his crew, sorry about that, gave us tools, equipment, even personnel to help in the clearing of the cemetery. They were very helpful, and we worked throughout, well we started in 2023 and we worked up until uh 2024 on clearing the cemetery, and it's still an ongoing process, but I'm very happy to be part of this. Terry is Shana's husband has introduced me to the archive of Montgomery County that they are going to record this information and make it available to the public, which I think is great. And so we're down here today to actually start the recording\r.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=921.0,982.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e Carr, that that that is really great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=982.0,985.25"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e What, what you just did was, was give us a quick overview of the history and the importance of where we're at today. Now I'd like to just back up a little bit and sort of dig a little deeper, into your history and your family. Now, as you stated, the church is behind us in your view up here on the hill. We're in the process, perhaps, or you are and your team to join this land back with the church, perhaps. Can you talk a little bit about that and the history of that church in your family, when, when they were here, thriving?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=985.25,1034.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the history of the church is um, is uh talked about in the book. And as a boy growing up in Guthrie, Kentucky, in Todd County, I didn't know anything about Port Royal. I never came over here, I never visited the area, anything like that. We never, my, my family never attended the church in Port Royal, and we attended churches in Guthrie, St. Paul, which is on the legacy trail. No, I'm sorry, Guildfield, which is on the left, which is on the legacy trail. And, and St. Paul, another black church in Guthrie, Kentucky. So from my perspective, my family in Guthrie wasn't involved in Mt. Zion Baptist church that was more uh Vester uh being, being born and living in Port Royal that was more of his church, and he had been a member of that church since he was a boy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1034.0,1102.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e So, um, in present day today you've got the support you need to continue restoration on this cemetery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1102.0,1127.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, what Vester and I have done, Vester has helped me extensively in trying to work on this project of restoring the cemetery, and hopefully down the road the church site. Uh, we have founded the Mt. Zion cemetery fund as a non profit under the non profit auspices of the Mt. Zion Baptist Church, and we have received funds into that fund, and we're going to use that money to help us to restore the cemetery and uh, and eventually we envision making this such a beautiful sight. As you can see, there's a creek, a bubbling brook that runs beside the cemetery, and it's very peaceful down here. And once we get it situated, cleared off and so forth, we want to enable it to be a place where people can come, people, a lot of people have relatives buried here, and they can come and sit and reflect and on the history and the peacefulness of the environment, hopefully will give them some uh, some respite. And this is the thing that we envision for the cemetery, they can travel up to the original site of the church. They can read the book and know the history of it. It was, it was, it was rebuilt four times. Two times it was burned down to the ground by white antagonists in the area who didn't like, I guess, the church as being a place of meeting for black folks, and the fifth time it was rebuilt, well, I think it was 1952 which is the current site, where it sits on highway 76, but uh, our hope is that we'll be able to restore the cemetery to make it a place where people can visit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1127.0,1265.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e Right and, and before we elaborate on that, as we look around and as you look around, tell us just a bit about the flags we see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1265.0,1278.43646"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, see this —","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1278.43646,1279.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e We see headstones and we see marked flags.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1279.0,1283.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, these flags are the work of a team that we got together, and we've been working on this cemetery since, as I said, since, I think we started in 2023 and each flag represents a grave. Now, as you can see some of them, some of these graves, uh, they don't have stones, they don't have tombstones. Some of them are sunken into the ground. And uh, so we know that there's a grave there, but we don't know who's there. And uh, my grandfather, he, as a matter of fact, he has a tombstone, and the one next to him is one of his son, Altheus, who became a preacher, and he's buried here next to him. And uh, but they are rare to have tombstones, you see. You might ask, \"Where is Katherine? His wife, Kitty. Where is she?\" Well, I tell you. I don't know. I've searched around when, when she died, she was living in Guthrie, Kentucky, and I suspect they didn't transport her body back here to be buried next to her husband, who was buried here in 1877 so I went to the Guthrie cemetery, the black cemetery in Guthrie, and it is much more cared for because it's been taken care of over time. So it's much more cared for than this cemetery, but the caretaker at that time was a person named Raymond Tolliver, and Raymond told me, because I told him, I said, \"I've looked all over the cemetery and I can't find her.\" And Raymond said, \"Well, there are graves back in the back.\" They had wood that hadn't been cleared out, like these woods here. He said, \"There are graves back there.\" So I went back there one Sunday. Was a beautiful day. I remember sun shining, sunshine, blue skies. And I went back there in those woods, and it was the same as this, sunken graves, no headstones, and I knew I wouldn't, if she was back there, I knew I wouldn't be able to find her. So uh, in actuality, I don't know where Kitty is buried. And many of these graves here, I don't know who they are. We hope to eventually bring in some, I heard about some type of radar system that can penetrate the ground and identify where the, where all the graves are, because I'm sure we haven't identified all the grave even though there are many flags out here. So this is one thing that we hope to do in the future. Be able to do in the future is to identify all the graves that are in this cemetery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1283.0,1467.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e At least a count, so, a count of how many people might be interred here, which that radar helps us determine. As you see Horace Carr's tombstone, we have ways, materials to restore the tombstones, which will be part of the restoration project. And so as we sit here today, the oral history project was funded from the County, and it was born out of the creation of the Clarksville-Montgomery County African American Legacy Trail, sort of an auxiliary project. Now, the cemetery here is on the African American Legacy Trail, and the idea is through the restoration process, through creating awareness, through it being on the Legacy Trail and, and being viewed across the state and the world, is that we bring more attention to the history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1467.0,1546.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1546.0,1546.672"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e The rich African American History here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1546.672,1548.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1548.0,1554.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you think, do you want to add anything of significance to the momentum that we have today to restore this cemetery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1554.0,1569.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e You've got a historical marker being made, correct, for the site here? David Britton, through the Tennessee Park System and through the Tennessee Historical Commission, I believe, will be creating a historical marker. You and your non profit team at Mt. Zion Baptist Church has fundings for and to create a sign to, to garner awareness, sort of on the street level, to create a more obtainable place for people to come and visit, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1569.0,1614.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, well, I'm glad you mentioned that. Yes, we, we, we have funding to create a private sign, which has been in the works now for about four months. It's in Vestas Carney's hands right now, and the last I talked to him, he said that he wanted approval from the Mt. Zion Church for the sign, and what the sign is to look like, and then it will go up at the uh, at the start, or the beginning of the easement that leads down to the cemetery to identify the cemetery to people that are maybe just even driving by. And I do want to point out, too, since you mention it, that this cemetery, Mt. Zion cemetery is not a slave cemetery. It was established after the slaves were freed, as I said, before I think 1867. David Britton had mentioned to me that there is a slave cemetery on the other side of this highway that runs past the Bourne cemetery. To look at it, you wouldn't even know that there was a cemetery there. There are hundreds and hundreds of people buried in this area that looks just like just plain wooded, wooded area, and there are probably other places like that here in Montgomery County that we hope to identify and maybe begin work on to uh, to the extent that people will know that there are people buried here, and that they're just not, just not walking on plain ground. But this is sometime in the future we uh, we're right now we're working on Mt. Zion because it's known. And once we get this up and running, then we'll probably proceed to try and identify slave cemeteries and do something about them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1614.0,1753.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e In your biggest hopes for the cemetery here in restoration, perhaps when, when do you anticipate a fully restored cemetery? I know it takes a lot of hard work. I've joined your team and, and seen your team in action. It takes a lot of hard work in a village, so I think it would be interesting whether you and I or the team hit that target. How long do you anticipate perhaps having the cemetery fully accessible and aware for the community to come visit? What's your, what's your goal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1753.0,1801.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1801.0,1803.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e Because, as you stated, this has been a very long process, you know, since you came back to Clarksville, right? First, I want to commend you for staying the course, and now that some headway has been made, and you've got some good team players on your side to help the cause.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1803.0,1826.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, from the time that I came back to now, it's been 14 years, and for the cemetery to be what I envisioned it to be. You know, today is my 75th birthday, and I think that it's going to be, I mean, I think I might be long, as a matter of fact, I might be buried in the cemetery by the time it achieves what I envision it to be. So, I don't know. I mean, it's been a long journey, and people, people have come in and helped, and I am really appreciative to all the people that stepped up and helped me and uh, and Vester in this effort. This is this has been a great thing. You know, both black and white has done this, and I hope that that help continues into the future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1826.0,1885.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDemetrius Hnarakis:\u003c/strong\u003e Mind if I join in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1885.0,1887.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1887.0,1887.33847"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDemetrius Hnarakis:\u003c/strong\u003e I just had a couple of questions like, so you were saying that your, your mom and immediate, you know, immediate family didn't really go to Mt. Zion or?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1887.33847,1898.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they do not. They uh, my family, they are, they're religious people, and they're church going people, but they don't go to Mt. Zion. They go to their own churches and I had talked to them until my mouth was dry, \"Now, why don't we attend our grandfather's church?\" But they are very satisfied with the church, with the churches that they attend. And so I just, you know, I just leave it at that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1898.0,1927.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDemetrius Hnarakis:\u003c/strong\u003e Were they the ones that told you about Mt. Zion, or?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1927.0,1930.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Who my family? No, I got that information from the book. I got that information from the book and uh, that there was a Mt. Zion Baptist Church. And as far as the, the church as it exists now, and where it exists now, I do believe I can't remember exactly, but I do believe my sister Stella told me where Mt. Zion today is, and that's how I got to come over here to visit that church, was that my sister, Stella, who lives here in Clarksville, told me where it is. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1930.0,1973.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDemetrius Hnarakis:\u003c/strong\u003e So up until, up until you read it in the book, the what is it, what is that called?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1973.0,1981.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e This is Pioneer Colored Christians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1981.0,1982.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDemetrius Hnarakis:\u003c/strong\u003e Pioneer Colored Christians. Up until you, you saw that book and read it, you had, you had any knowledge about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1982.0,1988.14018"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no knowledge whatsoever, of what was going on over here in Port Royal. I didn't know about the church, certainly not, not about this abandoned cemetery. Uh, I didn't know anything at all about, you know, I knew that they, they used to have a gathering every year over here in Port Royal to recognize the emancipation of the slaves and, and uh, and uh, but they had that at various locations around this area every year. The one I'm familiar with growing up as a boy was the one they had in, in Allensville, Kentucky. They had a big celebration every eighth of August to recognize the emancipation of slaves in Allensville, and that's the one I used to attend, but they had one in Port Royal going on simultaneously, and I didn't know anything about it, so I never came to the one in Port Royal until I was in my later years, and it's still going on today every year, eighth of August to celebrate the emancipation of slaves here in Port Royal and in Allensville, Kentucky and in Russellville, Kentucky. And now they began to have it in Clarksville during the eighth of August event. And this is separate from the national recognition of the emancipation of slaves called Juneteenth, Juneteenth that they now have across the country. So, they have two celebrations now. One is federally recognized, Juneteenth, and the one that is locally recognized has been going on for at least 100 years here in Port Royal and the surrounding areas. But, but, but, but, but that was the only thing that I knew about Port Royal. I certainly didn't know about my family history over here. And then let me, let me, let me introduce this to you also. The pastor at Port Royal that year when I came down and introduced myself, they have a sister church in Cedar Hill, Tennessee, called St. James, and he told me that St. James was getting together over here at Mt. Zion that year, that was 2000, 2010 that they were having their annual celebration or something, and that there was some Carrs that live in Cedar Hill that belonged to St. James. And he said, I can meet them. And so I went to the celebration, and I met the Carrs there at the church at Mt. Zion. They didn't know anything about, about Horace Carr either. They didn't know where they where they had come from. I told them about the book, I gave them copies of the book, and they were amazed. Now we're cousins, I'm a Johnson, they're Carrs. We separated at, at Horace Carr's granddaughter, Elnora Carr, who was my great grandmother. She married Ernest Johnson. She didn't want to get rid of that Carr maiden name for some reason or another. She thought it was important, so she named her first son. She gave him her maiden name, Carr Johnson. Carr Johnson, that's my grandfather. He named his son Carr Johnson, that's my father. My father named me after him, so that's how I became a Johnson. But now Elnora's brother, Altheus Carr, because he wasn't a woman, of course, he maintained the Carr name, and his the line from his family, lived in Cedar Hill, so you have these Carrs and these Johnsons. And we are family. We are cousins, but we didn't even know it. And when I met the Carr, a woman, Janice, Janice Carr, beautiful woman. And if I didn't know better when we was coming up, I could have married her. (laughing) I could've married my cousin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=1988.14018,2254.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e So, I said, \"Well, what we need to do is that we need to bring this book Pioneer Colored Christians up to date. We need to identify people in this book so that we can avoid, maybe cousins, marrying cousins.\" So, I started on writing a book concerning my experience with founding the cemetery and the people that I met and so forth and so on, just because of that encounter with my cousin, whom I didn't know. (laughing)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=2254.0,2287.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDemetrius Hnarakis:\u003c/strong\u003e What were some of the feelings like when you when you found out that you know your, your relatives were, were preachers or, or what were they preachers or pastors?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=2287.0,2298.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they were, they were, they were preachers. And pastors. You know, as a matter of fact, Horace Carr, one of his sons, William Carr, was a um, became in 1907 became the pastor of the uh, of the church in Savannah, Georgia that's recognized as the first African American church, Baptist Church in the United States. So, my wife and I went there in 20, 2013, we traveled to Savannah, went to this church. It's a huge church, big church. It's on the historical register. And when you're sitting in the congregation, sitting in the pews, looking at the pulpit, behind the pulpit, stained glass pictures of the previous pastors in the church, of the church, and there they have my uncle William Carr, pastor of this church, of that church in Savannah, Georgia in 1907. That's Horace Carr's son. And then another one of his sons, whose name I can't call off hand, went to Kansas City and became a prominent preacher there. And this son here Altheus, uh, a preacher remained in this area and succeeded his father as minister, pastor of Mt. Zion when his father passed away. So uh, so coming into knowledge of these people, coming into knowledge of my relatives, whom I didn't know, and which I am today, still trying to introduce the rest of my family to their family members, whom they had, as a matter of fact, the situation that I described with Janice Carr having met her, and her being so attractive and so on. I found out from my sister, from my younger sister Gaye when she was growing up that she was dating a guy, Billy Williams, I believe it was his name, and she said she almost married him, and come to find out, he was her cousin. So, man, it's a mess. (laughing) Yeah, so I hope that I'm able to complete this book and get information out there in people's hands about who some of their relatives are. And uh, oh, one more thing on that, on that regard. My younger brother, Maurice Johnson, he married a Fort girl. Now my father, he, Maurice told me our father advised him \"Don't marry that girl.\" But I don't know if it was because my father knew that he was related to her, I don't know, but anyway, he married her and uh, and uh, this was years after they had been married. I told my brother, I said, \"I think you might be married to your cousin man.\" I said, \"I'm not sure.\" I said, \"Let me, let me, let me research that some more.\" And I did, and she is his cousin. So, I called him when I found out, and I told him, I said, \"Your wife is your cousin.\" And he said, \"That's a hell of a thing to tell a man on a Saturday night.\" (laughing) But uh, they went on to divorce. Now they didn't, they did divorce because of that. It was something else going on, and I think that was happening before he found out, the divorce thing. But now they divorced, but he makes fun of it too, and they had a son born to the relationship. His name is Joshua, and his father, my brother, Maurice, he said, \"Well, maybe that's why Joshua is so crazy.\" (laughing) But uh, I mean, it's just things like this that you just don't know. You just don't know who's who, and so maybe this book will help out a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=2298.0,2584.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e That's all I can say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=2584.0,2591.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e This, I want to say, what for the past hour we've been out here. This is a wonderful space. It feels great. And I wanna say thank you. And I wanna say Happy 75th birthday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=2591.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, thank you very much. And I want to thank you guys for doing this. I think this is a great thing for black people in Montgomery County and Todd County, Kentucky, as you mentioned to me, Terry, this hasn't been done before this oral history, and I'm very happy that you invited me to be a part of it. And thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=2610.0,2631.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eTerry Morris:\u003c/strong\u003e Great. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mr. Johnson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=2631.0,2635.0"},{"id":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694/transcript/81941/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCarr Johnson:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, as an addendum to this interview, I forgot, as you know, people always do forget things, and I wanted to bring up members of the team that had been working down here to help with the clearing of the cemetery. Was Terry, there was, of course, Vester. There was David Britton, and there was Katherine O'Brien. And Katherine deserves some particular attention, because I think uh, she her family, the Bourne family, and it's mentioned in the book Pioneer Colored Christians donated the land that we're standing on to Mt. Zion Church for the cemetery to be here. And she lives over in Paducah, Kentucky. And she would drive from Paducah to Port Royal to help out with the cleaning of the land, clearing of the land and so forth. And, and all the members of the team have been invaluable, but I particularly wanted to point her out because of the distance and the time and the effort that she put forth to help us out. And so I want to thank all the members of the team and her in particular. Thank you. Thank you all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://montgomerycountyarchives.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3373/collection_resources/154407/file/283694#t=2635.0,2729.5"}]}]}]}